Lennon On Rangers: Telling The Truth Or Just A Pointless Dig?
Celtic manager Neil Lennon gave an interesting and open interview to The Guardian’s Ewan Murray. You can read the full interview HERE.
Now the part that really struck me was when Neil started discussing Rangers and whether or not the rivalry will be the same once the Ibrox club get back into the SPL.
These are the paragraphs I found intriguing…
And in the inevitable circumstance that the Glasgow duo meet again, will things be different? “I think it will be. I don’t think Rangers are as strong on the pitch and I don’t think they are as strong an institution as they once were.
“And we are, we have got stronger. We have got better on the pitch and the revenue we have brought in this year will leave us financially stable for a long, long time. I don’t know the ins and outs of Rangers, I just look at their team and it has been significantly weakened because of all the big players who have gone.”
Ok will they really be that different?
Yes if they met in 2013 then Celtic will be huge, huge favourites and rightly so. If they were to meet at Celtic Park then you’d think that Celtic could take 3 or 4 off their Old Firm rivals.
But the institution comment is slightly strange. No matter when the two collide again whether it be at Celtic Park or at Ibrox, can anyone expect anything less than a full house? Are you going to tell me that fans wont hate each other and their teams for those 90 minutes?
Now what made Rangers the institution that Lennon talks about?
Its the fans.
Now whether you are on the Green side of Glasgow banging on about Rangers being ‘dead’ or you side with the Blue half and equally bang on about ‘Rangers now, Rangers then and Rangers forever’. The fact remains that both sides have the same support they had last year, ten years ago or even 100 years ago.
The rivalry is still there. Both sets of fans equally obsess about the other team. That is why Ewan Murray asked the question to Lennon (Because that is what fans from both teams want to know).
Now you can attack Rangers and their fans for a lot of things but you can’t say they have deserted their team. They have over 30,000 season ticket holders in the SFL 3. In fact Rangers have had 330, 130 through the gates in their 7 home games in the league this season, while Celtic gave the figures for seven of theirs and only got 321,535.
So what does Neil mean by institution?
Because its clear to me that they are still serving a huge part of Scottish footballing society.
In three years time and say Rangers are back in the top league, who is too say that they won’t have a healthy squad?
They are no longer in debt (for whatever reason), they have had a successful share issue, they may have new sponsorship deals, They can’t buy a player till January 2014, the youth players are getting valuable experience playing now and once in the SPL they will attract big players again (providing they can afford them).
Also who is to say in three years time Celtic will be the same force they are now?
Three years ago, under Tony Mowbray they were extremely poor and Rangers were running the league. In those three years under Lennon they have improved beyond recognition but nothing is to say in three years time that will still be the case.
They have done wonderfully well in the Champions League this season but they may not do so well in Europe in the next three years. They are a side that looks to sell on the talent and bring in cheaper replacements with good potential, but what if they don’t get their buying right in the next few transfer windows?
That said there is also nothing to say that Celtic wont be stronger when Rangers return to the top flight and the Hoops run away with the league.
So yes looking at them now, Rangers are weaker as a footballing team but now isn’t the time to judge them as rivals.
The Old Firm matches will still be heated, Glasgow will still be caught up for a week and a half talking about the build up and the aftermath.
Lennon’s comments don’t square up with Celtic owner Dermot Desmond who said this on Rangers…
“Rangers are a fantastic club with a great history. They will, in not too long a time, be back in the SPL. I have no doubt about that.
“And they’re needed for Scottish football because of their following, the size of the club and especially their history. We certainly would like to contest with them every week. We believe we have a better team and management structure.
“For us, it’s disappointing that they are not there but that’s decisions by the various clubs and leagues and we accept those.
“Rangers are one of the great clubs in Britain and we have to acknowledge that.
“They are a motivation for us to go along and beat them in every Old Firm match, so we miss that opportunity.”
Now looking at those comments its obvious that Dermot Desmond believes Rangers make Celtic stronger and that they are still a huge institution.
But say Lennon is just having a wee pointless pop at Rangers and its all a bit tongue in cheek, can we blame him?
He has suffered abuse from the blue half of Glasgow since he arrived in the city back in 2ooo, he is probably sick of talking about a club that isn’t his own and he might feel its an opinion that placates his own supporters.
But whatever anyone says when the next Old Firm match comes round, whenever that will be, you’ll have two sets of managers, players and most importantly fans determined to get one over the other.
Neil Lennon will be no different!
Posted on December 21st, 2012 by scott
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The fans?
This is the fans who body swerved the share issue?
I think Neil has called it exactly right…
Is £5m a body swerve?
Lets not forget Peter Lawell blamed slump in attendances on economic state in Scots society.
“I don’t think they are as strong an institution as they once were”
Rangers are obviously not as strong an institution as they once were. They have a fraction of the turnover as they once had and their squad is incredibly weak. It will take many years to build back to the status they once held.
How can you possibly take issue with the terminology used?
The old firm is dead. Celtic won the last ever fixture.
They might look the same, they certainly sound the same, but that tribute act playing out of Ibrox is a new club. No matter how many times you argue the contrary, unfortunately, Scottish football fans will forever see them as a new club.
Why?
Examine the historical facts.
Rangers were not relegated. They went bust. Splitting hairs? Not really. When they went bust, they lost their membership. They had to apply for this as a newco. They were given special dispensation to enter the SFL despite not having accounts.
They are not ‘banned’ from Europe. UEFA don’t recognize clubs unless they have 3 years of accounts. Opinion? Sorry, fact. Ask UEFA.
The old club went bust owing tens upon tens of millions of pounds. Scottish football fans will never forget this. For the new cub to start talking about being ‘cash rich’ while still claiming the history of the old club is nauseating, and lacks honour.
If the ‘history remains’, then why does their owner keep saying he ‘bought’ it? Why did he have to ‘buy’ the history?
Sorry, but Scottish football fans will never see this as the same club. You cannot ‘walk away’ from that much debt and expect to be taken seriously. From now on they are Sevco. Simply Sevco.
Mick – Does turnover equal an institution? The squad is weaker but as I said they are not in SPL so don’t have to have the same squad.
They are still providing to Scottish footballing society look at the away crowds third division sides are getting.
Of course they aren’t as strong an institution. They don’t exist as Rangers 1873 anymore.
In any case the new Rangers’ reputation as been tarnished by the mismanagement of the old regimes & by the stupid quotes attributed to their new rent-a-mouth Chairman.
I suspect what Lennon is really trying to say is that now that they’ve been rumbled on so many fronts they’ll never be so strong again! I can understand that view since the old RFC couldn’t keep pace with Celtic playing a straight game or even once resorting to cheating! The fact could be argued that the so called great institution did indeed die trying!
Moonbeams – UEFA want to see the companies audited reports not the clubs. I would like to see if UEFA would come out and say whether or not Gers are a new club. it would stop the debate. The last time I checked the newco had the oldco’s membership from the SFA.
The old company owing money and the new one boasting about theirs is distasteful I agree. But companies can change, just ask Celtic. The club was a club before a company.
Richard – I agree the constant statements from Mr Green are not good for Rangers reputation in my eyes.
WM – Cheating has to be proved.
Let’s not talk about what the The Rangers ‘fans’ actually are, let’s not talk about bullets, bombs (two of ‘the fans’ serving jail terms for sending explosive devices to Neil and others), attacks on his young families home, attacked by two, convicted, cowardly ‘supporters’ in the street and beaten to within an inch of his life, his family regularly evacuated from their family home with a child having to be lifted from bed in the middle of the night.
Let’s not talk about the joke this ‘institution’ has made of the game in Scotland, the financial skulduggary, the total nonsense that we hear coming out of Ibrox on a weekly basis or call Mr Green out on any of the blatant gibberish he comes out with, a club on the brink, new as it is, who are surviving on the ‘history’ of a dead club who left a disgusting trail of unpaid debt behind it.
no.
Let’s tear Neil Lennons words apart, put YOUR pathetic spin on things and give the pot a big stir.
Afterall Neil is The man who put oldco to the sword!
Can I state I cannot answer the are they dead or not question… Ask the SFA or UEFA… They seem to dodge the question.
Jon – Glad you read the blog. Did i mention the abuse he received? Yes.
Have I had a go at Charles Green? Yes
http://www.thefootyblog.net/2012/09/21/is-green-turning-into-whyte-at-rangers/
Have I mentioned how much I like Neil Lennon? Yes.
http://www.thefootyblog.net/2011/09/18/football-anecdotes-old-firm-mash-up
Scott, why drag Celtic into this?
Celtic have never been in administration. Celtic have never been liquidated.
Before you start using Russian doll-like analogies, administration and liquidation are both historically documented.
The membership they have is akin to me buying the suit Elvis died in before going on to do a six month stint in Vegas.
Ultimately, perception is key. And as I said the vast majority of Scottish football fans see this as a new club.
MBs- It was to help make a point. Never said that Celtic suffered administration or liquidation. Just pointing out the company isn’t the same as the 1st one.
I agree perception is key, I am not going to argue with fans of Scottish football, I am just putting out my opinion. Writing this blog for 3 years has proven I am far from being right all the time.
The article seems like a pointless wee pop at Neil Lennon.
Apart from differing on the institution reference is it really a pop? Dermot Desmond must be having one too eh?
Rangers are the same club as before, just run by a new company (or “newco”). The club has the same SFA membership as before. Yes, it is excluded from Europe because of a failure to produce accounts but that happened in Whyte’s time, months before Green’s company took over.
The likes of the SFL, the UEFA-backed European Club Association and even Lord Nimmo Smith and his legal colleagues on the SFA panel have confirmed that Rangers are the same club.
Lennon’s remark about Rangers’ present squad is silly as by the time the two clubs are meeting on a regular basis again Rangers’ squad will be very different.
lads the crowd does not add up take into account what celtic fans pay for season books then champions league tickets cpl package is as expensive as new cos third div season books so merry christmas to every one in scottish football
Dermot Desmond was playing the diplomat, so he could get on with his next golf shot undisturbed.
You are trying to have it both ways having a pop then saying I’m not having a pop as who can blame him.
A wee bit of Lennon baiting to keep the bears warm in winter, it never fails. Old Charlie boy would have sold all the shares if he had a pop at Lenny.
Martin, did you buy shares?
time will tell.a lot of little green bhoys thought rangers would be finished by now.
if rangers now aren’t the same rangers as before then the trades descriptions people need to be told.
we were here first and we will be here last
mtan
Rangers financial cheats well how can using a Legal scheme be cheating??? How about paying players from your owners account and not the club one does that not come down to financial cheating? As for Celtic never being in administration or liquidation maybe that’s the case but can Fergus McCann walk down a Glasgow Street, NO and why is that cause when he sold Celtic for a profit after SAVING them via NEWCO route he had to move to another country due to the abuse he had to take from Celtic fans…. As for other comments saying about Mr Lennons family having to be moved during the night I feel as a Rangers fan that ALL Scottish Football fans should have attended Celtic Park to show solidarity to the morons who sent that stuff to Mr Lennon, but you can not say it was all Rangers fans who are included in that, that’s like saying all Celtic fans are at fault for when referees had to flee from their homes and had to have police sitting outside for their safety, also which club caused a referee strike??
”The fact remains that both sides have the same support they had last year, ten years ago or even 100 years ago”.
100 years ago. Do these supporters watch the matches in the heated corporate areas? Never seen all these old folk sitting beside me
Chuckle Brother Charles Green has said that The Rangers will never play in the SPL on his watch.
Nah, Chucky will be long gone with the ca$h those mugs gave him.
We buried Rangers 1872 and we are gonna bury Hearts.
Good times for Tim Malloys.
Article is utter pish by the way.
Totally pointless article. Just a dig at Lennon really.
Wilkins screamer, ur club died, just come to terms with it eh? The club u now support are totally brand new.
Merry Xmas
The scheme is so legal it is no longer allowed. Rfc put their hands up that some of the legal scheme was performed illegally and agreed liability. as for the ff type disinformation on Fergus, dear oh dear.
5 way scam performed to allow you all to keep believing.
Temp membership, buying history.
Why is Chic claiming he bought the history if it is the same club?
Anyway, merry christmas and goodnight.
Shoog – Yet you took time out to read it and comment, well done.
Again Kevin, really a dig??
Scott.
I did. Hence my final comment.
Buy some crayons with the money you made from my hit.
Funds must be low when you have to scrape the barrel for this kind of mince to get a few paltry pennies from Google.
Beannachtaí na Nollaig duit.
Yes this is why I do it for the pennies.
Have a good Christmas.
rangers are not as strong as an institution as they once were for the simple fact that they are no longer the same institution!
Lenny is absolutely right, rangers will never be the same, because they are dead, gone, nothing more but an after thought
this sevco club that is in the scottish 3rd division is some other thing that calls itself rangers
Dermot Desmond is being political. Lenny is being honest.
The Old Firm is no more, the battle has been won, the bhoys in green and white have won!
Glasgow IS green and white.
Your children and grandchildren will all be Celtic fans
get over it!!! MON THE CELTS!! HAIL HAIL
Seems strange that Lennon is being the honest, yet calls them rangers.
Desmond speaks his mind as he knows he can without retribution from club or fans.
Also for those saying its a dig at Lennon, I liked the interview, I just brought him up on one point. Is that not allowed now?
Shooglenifty……
What’s this language you’re writing in? The Gaelic is beannachd an Nollaig dhuit.
Mmac
When the Irish came to Scotland, and attempted to educate them through the medium of Gaeilge. The Scots could only grasp the most rudimentary words and phrases. Those garbled words can be still found there to this day. I’m sure Colmcille and the rest of the monks that attempted to educate and civilise the Hiberno’s are spinning in their graves.Yet they still spout this gibberish thats called Scots gaelic.
I think you will find that it is, Bennachtaí na Nodlag. But over 2,000 years and you haven’t grasped it yet, i don’t expect you to do so now. Like much of the population there. Living in the past. Do you still put the cockrel under the creel on Stornoway on a Sunday???
The Wicker Man only told half the story.
Dark times on that island.
FIFA and uefa state that rangers history is still in tact
Dan remillard, on December 21st, 2012 at 6:48 PM Said:
The history Chucky Brother Green bought? Wonder why he had to buy it? Any answer to the oh wise sage?
What about the debt? All gone? Did Chucky Charles buy the debt? What about the other EBT’s. How is that going to fair in the next round, Nostradamus?
The Rangers 2012.
We welcome you to Scottish Football.
We welcome the Chase.
Celtic’s attendances are still pretty impressive- remember they have nearly 10,000 more season book holders than Rangers- considering SPL prices are nearly double what Rangers fans pay. Celtic fans have had to shell out large amounts of money for Europe this year as well. No one can dismiss the “siege mentality-no one likes us-we urra peepul” mentality behind Rangers current high attendances in DIv3- will it last for the next few seasons? Once the initial enthusiasm runs out I’m not so sure.
Celtic will move onto another level than Rangers in the next ten years- but that wont make any difference to the intensity of the rivalry- when you factor in SPL/Champions Lg revenues over the three seasons Rangers are not there. Commercially and as a Brand- the only true Global Scottish football brand (ie Nike Sponsorship etc)- Celtic moved well beyond Rangers a long time ago. Their revenues are significantly higher and have been for quite some time than those of their rivals- that gap will only increase in my opinion. Sir Moonbeams had to borrow vast amounts of monies from Bank of Scotland, had to use a tax avoidance scheme and then Whyte had to avoid paying any tax at all to compete with Celtic financially.
Celtic could see Wanyama, Hooper, Forster, Matthews or even in an form Kayal for close to 50 million in the next few years- I can’t see Rangers generating those kinds of fees for any of their players in the next few years playing in the lower divisions.
None of this means Rangers wont be competing for the League or the cups as they will- even with a weaker team- still beat all the other Scottish teams and always give Celtic a game at Ibrox. It wont matter how big a Club Celtic are or how good their team is if Rangers keep beating every other team. But Celtic as a club are getting bigger all the time whilst Rangers seem to be contracting as a force- fan wise Rangers appear to be a localised inward and shrinking base whilst Celtic are an outward looking Global brand with an expanding fanbase ( particularly in Scotland_ where I think they are viewed as a more acceptable team for kids to support than the other “old firm” club).
During the Sir Moonbeams years the mainstream media were used as a fourth estate propaganda agency – guys like Traynor, Young, Spiers et al were in the pay of the Murray Empire- and this helped maintain an aura of invincibility and impregnability around Rangers. Those days are long gone. Celtic will also fill that vacuum as they already have- you can see the media tide already turning in their favour. Celtic are the establishment club now: whoever are winning is adopted as the favoured sons.
The problem comes when the significant hardcore minority of Rangers fans refuse to accept the reality of the inevitable- those with long links to Loyalist culture continue to operate this supremicist “We urra Peepul” mentality. These types of people don’t take losing, or change or encroachments of wider reality very well, the recent Union Jack fiasco in Belfast demonstrates that. They refuse to recognise that most of their views are an anachronism in an open modern liberal democratic society- the siege mentality so enthusiastically stoked up by the likes of Green will come back to haunt Rangers when they get back to the SPL. Rather than the new Green regime being an opportunity for the club to distance itself from its sectarian past and from Loyalism etc it has actually brought such ideology to the fore. Both Celtic and Rangers fans need to away from any sectarian ideology as a means of defining differences between the clubs- as the two clubs can have fierce rivalry without all that historical baggage. The approaches of the two clubs to just about everything is completely different, as historically are boths attitude to playing the game. I also fear Celtic, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen, Hibs and even the rest of Scottish society will have to suffer the fallout of this poisonous wave of revenge and hatred that will flood us all when they finally return to the top table. I really, really hope I am wrong about all this.
I don’t have the business acumen or the financial knowledge to offer a debate on this article…per.se…..
What I do have ,however, is moral integrity…..
The club from Govan,alas, doesn’t…..
END OF…..
Rangers then rangers now rangers forever . We are on our way back slow but sure on the way back to scotlands number 1 , world record holders.
The fans have been tremendous getting right behind the team .
As for charles green not going back to the spl hes right, that will not be there because theyl change it to get rangers back .
as for welcoming the chase count your titles my name says it all. WATP
what happened to celtic football and athletic club that changed its name to celtic plc an ben turpin went off with 45 million
The “old” Rangers history is still intact, not the new rangers…FACT
shooglygleniffy…
What a load of bull. Christ son, when you sober up and read what you have contributed to this forum its going to put you off your Buckfast, well, maybe for 2 or 3 days. You have no concept of gaelic history. Some Erse words that you’ve picked up from the “erse” of an empty Guinness tin makes you a plastic Paddy. Get a life, go back to skool, and when, and if, you comprehend we’ll look forward to some sense coming from you.
Wonky – Having read your comment, I cant say I disagree with much of it. It was never about who is bigger or better, it was the word institution I was looking at.
Thanks for a well thought out opinion.
cummin2takeuaway, on December 21st, 2012 at 8:18 PM Said:
An bhfuil tú dé’n bhariul sin? An bhfuil tú de’n bhariul guur ólta ata mé? Ar an droch uair duit fhéin is na h-Alabanaigh na meisceoirí is mó a bhfuil aithne agamsa orthú. Dream daoine atá suite, fité fuaite san seachtú h-aois deag. Dréam mhí mhóralta gan tuiscint acu ar an aois atá le theacht. Níl me ag gabhail a chuir mó chuid ama amú ag inse cleacht duit na dtuigfidh tú.
Ach ag deireadh an lae, tá an fhirínne searbh, ach ní searbh atá sí ach garbh, agus sin an fath a seachaintar í.
The jist of it is.
The truth hurts Billy Boy.
Away and Google translate that ya numpty.
cummin2takeuaway, on December 21st, 2012 at 8:18 PM Said:
” A guinness tin”
Time you took yer tablets old man and went to yer bed.
shooglefiftyfour
Soon to be ShoogleFortySix
Rangers? Never heard of them.
Fat Sally,
They’re called The Rangers now. Playing down among the 3rd Division i think. Albion Rovers beat them there recently. The worst team in British Football. But they’re only starting off. Whaddaya expect
Albion Rovers are actually in Division 2 not 3.
Oh & its The Celtic too… http://www.celticfc.net/about_contactinfo
Tomato, Tomato.
I already knew that. Always was and always will be.
Sound familiar??
Did you Wiki it? Seems like you get much on your info on that bastion of credibility.
Did I use Wiki for what?
Celtic is on their own website & I know about Scottish football so know that Albion Rovers are not in SFL 3.
Both are facts. Sorry to correct you
Correcting me on something i already knew? The Celtic Football Club. A first for me there. I follow Glasgow Celtic and not Scottish football. Although i do have a soft spot for Dundee Harps and of course Hibs
I also have a soft spot for Hearts. It’s a swamp about a mile from my home.
Where albion Rovers or any other albion play matter not one iota to me. They could be playing in the field outside the kitchen window and i couldn’t give a toss about them .
How are Clachmanninshire Dynamo’s doing these days?
So you are a fan of The Celtic then?
Maybe you shouldn’t mention a team if you have no idea what league they play in, especially if you don’t give a toss about them.
cummin2takeuaway
Time to put this in yer pipe and smoke it old boy.
http://scotgaelic.tripod.com/aboutscottishgaelic.html
The land of Saints and Scholars.
Gaelic was brought to Scotland by colonists from Ireland towards the end of the Roman Empire in Britain. By 500 A.D. these Gaels had established their Kingdom of Dàl Riada, centered on what is now Argyll in southwest Scotland; in Gaelic, Earra Ghàidheal, “the coastland of the Gael.” To Roman writers they were Scotti — Scotia at this time denoted Ireland — although these names cannot be traced with certainty to an origin in Gaelic itself. But from these Latin forms came the name Scotland. In Gaelic, however, the country is Alba, as in Irish Gaelic, and Alban in Welsh.
I can certainly mention whatever i like whenever i like. Unless i am amiss and you are running a weblog in the stylee of some Chinese dictatorship.
Free speech. Seems to be trending these days. I reckon in a few years time it will be all the rage.
Didn’t you find anything on Wiki about the Dynamo’s yet? If you put the words in quotes it might save you time. Me i couldn’t give a toss really so i’m not gonna bother lookin’, run along now and find out how they are doing for me.
The word maybe was used, so I am only suggesting you should try and use facts properly.
Oh and yes I do have a say in what comments get put up on site.
Good for you. You can’t beat o bit off stick wielding when the whim takes.
Master of bit and byte! And monarch of http://www.thefootyblog.net.
The overwhealming rush of adrenalin when you tap the assigned button to delete a post that one doesn’t quite agree with must indeed be euphoric. Something akin to
those despotic rulers of yore who, if they didn’t like the colour of you shirt would have you lashed and then crucified upon hill.
I really must start up my own internet website. I think i would be good at deleting what i don;t like / agree with.
Still no word on the Dynamo’s?
If you retrace i think you will find that it was your use of ‘Maybe’
scott, on December 21st, 2012 at 9:10 PM Said:
So you are a fan of The Celtic then?
Maybe you shouldn’t mention a team if you h……….
This has been fun. As you can tell I don’t delete many comments. I actually enjoy the debate, so only personal attacks on other commentators get trashed.
The ‘maybe’ proves that it was advice and not a demand.
Cheers for reading and commenting.
Hahhahahahaa! Sure it’s a bit of craic. I do like to wind up, now and again!!!! Gonna head to the pub for a bit. I have ya bookmarked.
So…….. in the oft quoted words of a Californian Mayor;
I’ll be back,,/b>
Take it easy.
Rangers are dead but long live “The Rangers” . A new team with an old philosophy that is slowly dying. Takes time but we will look back and not believe that such a team and ethos ever existed. They are truly Scotland’s Shame.
if the sevco are the same club with all these millions pouring in then it must be good news for all the poor soles who are still waiting for the bills to be payed then,
same club ? same debts then/ pay up and we all will tell you that rangers fc still exist ,
20 mill in the bank says chucky, ok mr chuckl,s pay up at least you will be able to pay some of the debt now, ? or are you still the same club or should i say cowboy outfit that pretends to be something they are not and take all the gullible stupid people,s hard earned cash or as they say weeara peeeple,
ffs rangers or i should say the old co or is it the new co or is it international sevco, or international ranngers or even rangers fc , f knows whit yer called, but it aint the same club,
If you have to compare you have to use apples to apples, not apples and grapes, sour ones at that! The team now knwn as The rangers are, like it or not, not the same one eho used to be part ofehat we all knew as the Old Frm. They are a new club not yet 150 days old. They have clingons of fans who used to be followers of that other old team now liquidated.
Fans can follow them in numbers because they pay a small amount of season ticket money. Would they still be there payingthe same amount we pay? I think not. They can keep trying to convince themselves all day long but the team they follow is not rangers, have less than six months history, and they have a season ticket for a few bob! They face teams like Stirling Albion, Annan Athletic, Peterhead, Berwick Rangers etc while we top the SPL, a league they have never played in, play in the Champions League, a competition for top teams in their country, another competition they have never played in.
Don’t compare apples and sour graes. You can’t. Like it, or don’t!
Rangers have had healthy season ticket sales for years, also the man that bankrolls celtic has said its not a new club.
Plastic paddies , so much hatred , why ….. spending so much time attacking a football club , who cares ffs . Internet bampots , really worried about the mental health of people on here one guy even writes in Gaelic must be usefull on holiday , sorry probably is ,, madness
” It was never about who is bigger or better, it was the word institution I was looking at.”
Famously “Sir” David Murray described OldRangers as scotlands second biggest institution (after the church of Scotland). Equally calling it so negates those trying to claim separation between “holding company” and “club” – they are the same thing.
OldRangers are currently in liquidation. NewRangers started in the 3rd division this year. They can’t both be the same thing,
I would never have said Rangers at any form were Scotland’s 2nd biggest institution, just another thing I’d disagree with SDM.
Nothing much to say really the post code is the same, the street name is the same, as is the club name. u can say Rangers,The Rangers, Glasgow Rangers, The light Blues,The Bears ,Copland Road Edmonson Drive Paisley Road Kingston bridge I could go on but u will never ever rub out the the name u may all try but we will survive you can post all you like but will survive.
Glasgow Fifer
‘The’ Rangers are not ‘The Glasgow Rangers’.
‘The’ Rangers were not seeded in the league cup – Why? Answer; New Club!
So unfortunately if all you Sevco fans want to live in a state of delusion so be it, but when you come play us SPL teams we’ll remind you of who you are not…, you’re not ‘The Glasgow Rangers’ as they ceased to exist.
Dundee Utd Zombie Slayers
My granny’s post code is the same, the street name is the same, the house even has the same name. Only thing is, my granny died in 1994. Someone else bought the house. They have not kept my granny’s history because granny is dead. Rangers are dead. A little Yorkshireman bought their house and claims he can actually own their past (will he take this past with him when he goes and sell it to someone else, what a preposterous idea!). Unlike my granny’s house he uis actually going to change the name. You see what a silly little Berr you are actually being. Grow-up face the truth. It is the only way to recovery.
For anyone who wants the truth regarding legal payments or otherwise. The old club known as rangers accepted several cases of illegal payments prior to the so called big case. The fines and payments due for this was body swerved along with all other debts when they ceased to exist, otherwise they would still be due. They were also found guilty of 36 counts of illegality with regard to the big case, (very seldom mentioned) so to claim no wrongdoing is par for the course, but as usual incorrect. Rangers will live on albeit never as the force they were, and never as the original club they were. The hoardes will always claim otherwise, but deep inside they know the truth.
About 46 and counting, in a few years!!!!!
scotlands shame erm im sure theres a wee matter that kelly tried to hide a few yrs back what was it again erm …………………….. ohh forgot everytime we mention that you lot quickly shout thats terrible mentioning that well i will CHILD ABUSE and were scotlands shame dont think so mate go hide your head in shame
kevintic im sure you pay all your bills ………………………..NOT
Lets clear one thing up here ladies…
Celtic ARE the same business.
The club are officially registered under the companies act 1862 to 1890.
Incorporated (key point) in Scotland with number 3487.
Celtic were never in administration or liquidation.
Fergus McCann didnt pay off debt. He cleared an over draft. End of.
Before anyone mumbles about pacific shelf, this was a prepackaged company (newco) set up to retain the old trading name.
When u float on the stock exchange u become a PLC.
So, being a smart man Fergus, he made a sevco to rename.
And the club owned. This only EVER was used to retain the old trading name.
It ensures unscrupulous people dont trade masquerading as Celtic.
This business has never traded.
It’s owned completely by Celtic, and has never had any money in or out of the account besides the minimum required to open it in the first place.
Back to the incorporation of the club.
The companies act made clubs BECOME limited companies.
There is no separation of club and company.
For over 100 years rangers WERE a company.
That company is now in liquidation.
Rangers are in liquidation.
Sevco 5088, sevco Scotland, rangers fc, rangers international fc…
Whatever u want to call them are a new club.
Before someone mentions co-efficient point,
The club registered there is the club in liquidation.
They finished the season and so registered thier points.
It is not the 3rd div team.
They dont have co-efficient points.
They cant.
Not until they get a license.
Until then UEFA dont recognise u as a team, much less a club.
Trueblue – and who gave a sworn affidavit?
When it WAS reported to the police, the children wouldn’t testify.
So police couldn’t bring charges.
Later in life they sought justice.Ty
And got it.
With the help of Mr Steins testimony.
The Celtic boys club was not an affiliation of the club.
Simply used the name.
To stop this happening again, Stein brought the boys club under our stewardship.
So Celtic didn’t do anything except report it, and protect an outside organization.
However, besides the lack of convictions…. Which club (now dead) made Torbett head of thier youth teams for 3 years?
Anyone?
Silence from the south siders.
Back in yer coffins, er I mean box.
Scott, on December 21st, 2012 at 11:55 PM Said:
Plastic paddies , so much hatred , why ….. spending so much time attacking a football club , who cares ffs . Internet bampots , really worried about the mental health of people on here one guy even writes in Gaelic must be usefull on holiday , sorry probably is ,, madness
Let yer mask slip there.
So we are all clear the Scott that mentions ‘plastic paddy’ comments was not me.
Scott, you talk about Rangers & their fans..surely you mean ‘our’ fans? As for Lenny being at odds with Dermot Desmond, would you not prefer a manager with an opinion of his own, or instead a ‘nodding dog’ like Ally? Listening to him eulogise over Chuckles is embarassing, a bit like that photo of him & Sir Craig Whyte! HH
Not sure they are fans of mine.
I actually agree with that point. I was just pointing out the difference in opinion between manager and majority shareholder.
http://iainduff.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/the-ibrox-disaster-1971-scottish-football%E2%80%99s-darkest-hour/
Think Fred is on the wrong site.
yes jon- you go on about bullets and guns and abuse of neil lennon when you have a club whos support sing about terrorists with bullets and guns,and when rangers fans talk about abuse by celtic from 1973- till 97, where men were jailed you tell them their obsessed. i dont support rangers or celtic, just a wee club from my home town, but one is as bad as the other
Jim fae toon: Celtic do have their problem elements just like every other club in the land- but they have made massive progress in the last ten+ years- it seems the average “Tim” has opened up to the world much more enthusiastically during their many European travels since the O’Neill Era. Rangers fans on the other hand have had problems in Villareal, Barcelona, Bucharest, Eindhoven and Manchester. That is no coincidence, its a cultural thing- how many incidents have Celtic fans been involved in during the same time frame? A couple of dafties with a juvenile f*** UEFA! Banner is hardly in the same category.
There is an narrow and insular, no-one-likes-us, supremacist-triumphalist, macho-chauvinist culture that runs right through the sectarian heart of this follow follow hardcore of Rangers fans…Celtic fans don’t give a monkeys about having a laugh with the locals, opening up to new cultures and making clowns of themselves whilst abroad…many of the Loyalist fraternity are too busy clinging to the hardman stereotypes, singing their offensive songs, and looking tough/trying to intimidate everybody to actually make any friends…except when its other fascist bully boy clubs like Hamburg, Linfield or maybe Chelsea.
The facts are there for everybody to see over the last ten+ years- so Jim if you think both clubs fans are the same then I believe you are deliberately ignoring the facts of the Celtic fans huge progress over that time; maybe you are just trying to preserve old prejudices. I don’t know. To me its just lazy thinking.
If you need any more evidence then look on websites like McMurdo’s Blogs ( the comments section), RangersMedia, Follow-Follow etc compared to CelticQuickNews Forum (CQN) or even Kerrydale Street- the difference is striking. Morons advocating hate and violence are more rapidly and consistently shot down on the Celtic sites- on the Rangers sites such comments are viewed as proof of partisanship. If you don’t believe me then go and have a look at these sites objectively.
I think you do the Celtic support in the vast majority a great disservice – after all it took a lot of hard work to get to where they are, particularly by the Fergus McCann Bhoys Against Bigotry campaign that set the groundwork for such progress…now Rangers need to do the same if they are ever to catch up with their old rivals in that respect…but somehow I can’t see Charles Green setting something like that up when all he’s interested in is playing Potentate to the lowest common denominator of the clubs support. Just because a large amount of the Rangers support are stilling living in the dark ages does not mean Celtic as a support have so much more to do…there are still moronic elements in the support that openly support the IRA, act like neds and generally just need to grow up…nut to say the two are as bad as each other…deary me jim fae toon!
wonky yer well named
I’m hearing world record tites for sevco 54 I believe but stop and consider the next time you win the spl again, lets say in 12 years time you will need to start again with one title under your newco name, Rangers international fc lol. While we are likley to be on 55 tiltes by that time.
Liquidation happened its there in the record books for everyone to see so please stop pretending otherwise,
ShoogleFiftyFour
You haven’t changed your moniker to ShoogleFortySix yet?? Get with the program.
We’re coming to take them away, haha,
we’re coming to take them away
Hasnt anyone notice that the company running celtic is CELTIC F.C LIMITED now i may be wrong there…… but this company was formed in 2001 yet they didnt have to restart from the bottom
Moonbeams is barking at the moon if he thinks rangers history is no intact in the eyes of uefa,The European Club Association has confirmed that Rangers remain as members of the organisation but that their status has been downgraded following the transfer of ownership.
Following administration and the subsequent transfer of assets to a newco owned by Charles Green’s consortium, Rangers lost their place in the Scottish Premier League and were later admitted to the third tier of the Scottish Football League.
The ECA is the sole independent body recognised by UEFA and FIFA as representing clubs at European level. Ordinary members of the group are required to be playing in their domestic top division and be licensed to play European football.
Rangers do not hold a UEFA club licence as a result of a break in their accounts and, having lost their top-flight status, are no longer ordinary members of the ECA, the organisation confirmed.
“Rangers FC held ordinary membership with the ECA before entering into administration and later into liquidation,” an ECA spokesperson confirmed to STV.
“Meanwhile Rangers FC, owned by the Rangers Football Club Plc, transferred all its assets, including its goodwill, to Sevco Ltd (Sevco Ltd later changing its name to the Rangers Football Club Ltd)
“Alike at Scottish FA level, this ‘new entity’ had to re-apply for membership with ECA as according to Swiss law, membership of an association is neither heritable nor transferable (article 70.3 of the Swiss Civil Code).
“In dealing with these re-application, ECA applied the terms and provisions of our membership policy and statutes.
“According to the prerequisites set out in the membership policy, Rangers FC did not meet the requirements to be granted ordinary membership (top division and European licence).
However, Rangers are permitted to hold associate membership, which holds no voting rights, as they are one of the founder members of the ECA. The organisation considers the club’s history to be continuous regardless of the change of company.
“With regards to associated membership, the membership policy states amongst others that founding members are granted automatic membership,” the spokesperson explained.
“Taking into account that the ‘new entity’ also acquired the goodwill of the ‘old entity’, it was held by the ECA executive board that the goodwill, taking into account legal and practical arguments, also included the history of the ‘old company’.
“Consequently it was concluded that Rangers FC was entitled to associated membership of ECA as considered to be a founding member.”